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Post by K6KD on Feb 27, 2019 2:42:21 GMT -8
Previously, the X Reflector Directory at xrefl.net listed both XLX reflectors, based on new software, and the traditional X Reflectors, almost all based on a software program, dxrfd, written by Scott Lawson, KI4LKF. The X Reflector directory now lists only the traditional reflectors, and not the more popular XLX reflectors. The reason is with the overwhelming popularity of the XLX reflectors, and the relatively few traditional reflectors, it became largely unnecessary to maintain a list of mostly XLX reflectors. The XLX developers already provide an automated list of these reflectors. Additionally, the effort to provide a largely duplicative list has become increasingly burdensome. Because some in the ham radio community like to engage in speculation and rumors, I want to emphasize that I have been and remain a strong supporter of XLX. In turn, Luc and the XLX team have always been supporters of the X Reflector Directory. To provide some historical context, the X Reflector Directory was initiated prior to the advent of XLX. Besides the traditional X Reflectors, the other reflectors at the time were the legacy REF reflectors and DCS reflectors. Both reflector types each had reflector numbers assigned by a central authority. On the other hand, the traditional X Reflectors, being open-source, enabled an admin to choose any number. The X Reflector Directory began to provide a voluntary way for admins to list their reflectors to avoid duplicate numbers and to provide information for host file providers. When XLX Reflectors appeared, which can use any of the prefixes, REF, DCS, and XRF, they were included if the reflector admin requested their inclusion, indicating the intent to use the XRF prefix. There were no priorities favoring one type of reflector over the other. The first reflector to request inclusion in the Directory using a specific number was added. Now with new reflectors being almost exclusively the XLX type, the XLX automated list provides for reflector number identification and duplication avoidance for those reflectors whose admins choose to have a public listing. The new X Reflector Directory listing the traditional X Reflectors will remain for the time being so that new XLX Reflector admins can check for any XRF duplications. Thanks to all for your support over the past several years, but times change and this is, in my opinion, a logical reflection of that. 73 John K6KD
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Post by K6KD on Mar 8, 2019 8:46:48 GMT -8
There are a few reflectors in the directory that are based on XLX code, but with some functionality removed and some bug fixes/improvements were renamed with the effect of obscuring their XLX basis.
The public listing of XLX reflectors, referred to as Call Home, was removed as part of the changes. I agreed to allow these reflectors to be listed here because they would otherwise not be listed anywhere else.
While this reflector branding may not conflict with the open-source license agreement, it is still in my opinion a way of using someone else's work without giving them credit. There are ways to add features to an open-source product without rebranding it, but the developer of this reflector variation chose to avoid that.
Because I do not want my workload to increase, especially by supporting a practice I don't approve of, I will not add any additional reflectors of this type to the directory.
John K6KD
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Post by vk2dy on Mar 9, 2019 20:11:20 GMT -8
John,
What does this mean for those who want to create an XLX reflector? What prevents two people from creating the same XLX reflector?
Thank you, Robert
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Post by K6KD on Mar 9, 2019 20:55:26 GMT -8
John, What does this mean for those who want to create an XLX reflector? What prevents two people from creating the same XLX reflector? Thank you, Robert Hi Robert, The change in this Directory has no bearing on the issue you raise. Two people can create XLX reflectors with the same number, but only one can be listed in the XLX Reflectorlist. Host file providers use lists like that one for the hot spots, so the reflector listed would generally be accessible. A reflector not listed can still work, but if it is not listed in host files, depending on the hot spot, it could be added manually. For example, if you and a few friends wanted a private reflector, you could pick any number and manually change your host files. You would not be able to link to any other reflector with the same number, but because you could choose any number for your own use, you could easily avoid not conflicting with a specific public reflector. Hope that helps. John
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Post by wv8cw on Mar 18, 2019 19:52:40 GMT -8
where do i go to register my xlx reflector
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Post by K6KD on Mar 19, 2019 6:58:24 GMT -8
where do i go to register my xlx reflector It will be shown in the XLX Reflectorlist if callhome is enabled. See the XLX documentation.
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Post by sv1bgm on Apr 6, 2019 23:52:51 GMT -8
Where I can find the latest version of dxrfd ? Is it maintained now or the development is stopped ? I’m interested to create and host a d* reflector and I would like to know the best available options.
73, Fanis sv1bgm
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Post by K6KD on Apr 7, 2019 2:55:02 GMT -8
Where I can find the latest version of dxrfd ? Is it maintained now or the development is stopped ? I’m interested to create and host a d* reflector and I would like to know the best available options. 73, Fanis sv1bgm There is a version in the Files area of a Yahoo Group: Amateur Radio Experimenters Corner. The folder is Dxrfd 3.08a. You need to be approved for membership in the group. If you are not already a member and join, reply here so I can approve your membership. There is documentation there, but otherwise that version is not maintained or supported, so you would be on your own. There may be another version. Timm OE5STM may have some additional information. His email is at qrz.com. Unless you need specific features of dxrfd, you might be better off with XLX. It is actively supported. Download info, etc is at xlxbbs.epf.lu/73 John K6KD
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Post by sv1bgm on Apr 7, 2019 10:22:06 GMT -8
Where I can find the latest version of dxrfd ? Is it maintained now or the development is stopped ? I’m interested to create and host a d* reflector and I would like to know the best available options. 73, Fanis sv1bgm There is a version in the Files area of a Yahoo Group: Amateur Radio Experimenters Corner. The folder is Dxrfd 3.08a. You need to be approved for membership in the group. If you are not already a member and join, reply here so I can approve your membership. There is documentation there, but otherwise that version is not maintained or supported, so you would be on your own. There may be another version. Timm OE5STM may have some additional information. His email is at qrz.com. Unless you need specific features of dxrfd, you might be better off with XLX. It is actively supported. Download info, etc is at xlxbbs.epf.lu/73 John K6KD Thank you very much John. Both for your answer and your help and work for the ham radio community. I beleive I’ll try XLX because of active development and support. It will do what I want (I think). Although they say that Raspberry pi is not recommended, I’ll give it a try to see how it will go with installation and configuration and test it with 2-3 connected hotspots. 73, Fanis sv1bgm
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Post by K6KD on Apr 8, 2019 5:07:21 GMT -8
There is a version in the Files area of a Yahoo Group: Amateur Radio Experimenters Corner. The folder is Dxrfd 3.08a. You need to be approved for membership in the group. If you are not already a member and join, reply here so I can approve your membership. There is documentation there, but otherwise that version is not maintained or supported, so you would be on your own. There may be another version. Timm OE5STM may have some additional information. His email is at qrz.com. Unless you need specific features of dxrfd, you might be better off with XLX. It is actively supported. Download info, etc is at xlxbbs.epf.lu/73 John K6KD Thank you very much John. Both for your answer and your help and work for the ham radio community. I beleive I’ll try XLX because of active development and support. It will do what I want (I think). Although they say that Raspberry pi is not recommended, I’ll give it a try to see how it will go with installation and configuration and test it with 2-3 connected hotspots. 73, Fanis sv1bgm Fanis, Thanks very much for your comments. I agree that the active development and support are major factors in going with XLX reflectors. The development team are fine people and do much for the hobby. 73 John K6KD
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Post by n5amd on Apr 14, 2019 20:04:44 GMT -8
Thank you for the explanation and the history of XLX and XRF. Even though, I own an XLX reflector, I have always wondered how things came about and why there was confusion. I certainly couldn't ever explain it to other people no matter how hard I tried. I certainly appreciate everyone's hard work on all fronts. As a result, I can cross digital modes and enjoy even more of what digital voice has to offer.
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Post by K6KD on Apr 15, 2019 5:38:05 GMT -8
Thank you for the explanation and the history of XLX and XRF. Even though, I own an XLX reflector, I have always wondered how things came about and why there was confusion. I certainly couldn't ever explain it to other people no matter how hard I tried. I certainly appreciate everyone's hard work on all fronts. As a result, I can cross digital modes and enjoy even more of what digital voice has to offer. Thanks for your comments. 73 John K6KD
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Post by node on May 4, 2019 22:57:25 GMT -8
K6KD, can you tell me where is the xlx Reflectorlist please? Thanks
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Post by K6KD on May 5, 2019 12:47:54 GMT -8
K6KD, can you tell me where is the xlx Reflectorlist please? Thanks node You're welcome. On most or all XLX Reflector dashboards, there is a button titled Reflectorlist. Selecting that will show the public list. K6KD
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Post by node on May 6, 2019 0:59:13 GMT -8
Thank you, I found it.
I have made an xlx Refelector, all went okay with no errors during the installed. systemctl status xlxd shows active(running) in green. I have activated $callinghome ='true'; double check all my UDP ports, all opened, checked what the server is listening on is fine, have a domain assigned to my ip address; and yet xlx Reflector is not showing up on any ReflectorList page nor am I able to get the dashboard when I typed in the domain address.
Any guidance would be appreciated, by the members on the forum.
node
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